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发表于 2017-8-9 10:31 | 只看该作者 来自 江西省南昌市
Hottytoddy 发表于 2017-8-8 16:08
频率越高,电流越积攒在线的外侧。oval线比实心圆柱线电流分布要均匀.oval线就是双线合一,这家的"专利"。
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不愧是大神,都长篇大论
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发表于 2017-8-9 10:41 | 只看该作者 来自 浙江省杭州市
本人理解线材好坏就一个指标,容抗感抗越小越好
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-10 13:46 | 只看该作者 来自 山东省青岛市
本帖最后由 gebegebe 于 2017-8-10 13:47 编辑

关于线材的资料我已经有很多了,谁能帮忙找下播放软件对声音影响的资料(最好是无DSP情况)?
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发表于 2017-8-10 14:19 | 只看该作者 来自 北京市
gebegebe 发表于 2017-8-10 13:46
关于线材的资料我已经有很多了,谁能帮忙找下播放软件对声音影响的资料(最好是无DSP情况)?

这个很困难
如果懂代码,foobar是开放源的.IOS软件也是开源的.

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发表于 2017-8-10 14:20 | 只看该作者 来自 北京市
gebegebe 发表于 2017-8-10 13:46
关于线材的资料我已经有很多了,谁能帮忙找下播放软件对声音影响的资料(最好是无DSP情况)?

如果真有心做,我建议从USB驱动开始找
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发表于 2017-8-11 18:52 | 只看该作者 来自 广东省深圳市
高频有阻抗这么一说。音频范围内方波会变形的线,素质得有多懒,但听感就是另外一番事了。有阻抗就会有信号损失。有些数字协议有容错和纠错还好,但模拟就回天无力了
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发表于 2017-8-14 04:41 | 只看该作者 来自 美国
EE里面的线材传输理论,基本是复述了一遍教材的内容,这也是普遍认可的。大概看了一下有高频导致的skin effect和解决方法。
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发表于 2017-8-14 04:52 | 只看该作者 来自 北京市
本帖最后由 albrecht 于 2017-8-14 04:55 编辑
Hottytoddy 发表于 2017-8-8 16:08
频率越高,电流越积攒在线的外侧。oval线比实心圆柱线电流分布要均匀.oval线就是双线合一,这家的"专利"。
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只有reference是APA format。其他部分,图片和副标题格式都不对。加上文中大多是自己的想法和一些结论的陈述,公式描述很少,全篇只见到个阻抗的公式,没有严格的推导过程和实验描述,说是学术论文就言过其实了。最后那张方波图是接在speaker上测试的,而不是标准的空载或者接电阻测试。因为speaker自带感抗和容抗,传输到speaker的方波自然会有变化,(滞后)。相反没有变化就属于线材本身有容抗来低效speaker的容抗,类似于示波器的探头上的可调电容。这种方式完全没有必要,反而说明他家线材是失真很大的,有点负负得正的感觉。这种文章在国内无线电杂志很多,yy而已,你也是懂EE的,应该知道我在说什么吧。
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发表于 2017-8-14 04:53 | 只看该作者 来自 北京市
HHYYTT 发表于 2017-8-11 18:52
高频有阻抗这么一说。音频范围内方波会变形的线,素质得有多懒,但听感就是另外一番事了。有阻抗就会有信号 ...

仔细看图片描述就知道,这个是接上speaker测的,有相位差很正常。呵呵
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发表于 2017-8-14 05:04 | 只看该作者 来自 美国
albrecht 发表于 2017-8-14 04:52
只有reference是APA format。其他部分,图片和副标题格式都不对。加上文中大多是自己的想法和一些结论的 ...

好吧,遇上专家了。不好意思装b失败被打脸了,我当然不懂EE了,物理都没学过...不好意思,哈哈。看来这篇文章格式不对,论述不严谨,颠倒黑白,FAIL! 专家打回重写!另外EE专家你能不能从专业的角度陈述一下你对线材的理解或者在这篇不及格的论文基础上进一步分析一下?
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发表于 2017-8-14 05:10 | 只看该作者 来自 美国
线材有科学原理,但是并不需要贵
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发表于 2017-8-14 11:34 | 只看该作者 来自 美国
Hottytoddy 发表于 2017-8-14 05:04
好吧,遇上专家了。不好意思装b失败被打脸了,我当然不懂EE了,物理都没学过...不好意思,哈哈。看来这篇 ...

见以上回复。
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发表于 2017-8-14 13:43 | 只看该作者 来自 内蒙古呼和浩特市
gebegebe 发表于 2017-8-8 15:03
我听了他家的两条低端线,感觉不太好,理论说一堆还是要耳朵收货

我用过分析家的最便宜的电源线,感觉不错啊。

声音非常中性,而且很凝聚,属于效果立竿见影的。

当然喜欢厚暖声音的就别碰这家的产品了。
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-23 15:16 | 只看该作者 来自 山东省
renmin43 发表于 2017-8-14 13:43
我用过分析家的最便宜的电源线,感觉不错啊。

声音非常中性,而且很凝聚,属于效果立竿见影的。

我感觉有点糊
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发表于 2017-8-23 19:33 | 只看该作者 来自 广东省广州市
不是用洋文写的就一定是严谨的学术论文
在hifidiy论坛辩论的时候,有一位“大婶”憋了半天搞了一个英文线材广告网页给我,说我看不懂来来去去就是分布电容分布电感,线材带宽。
呵呵
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-23 22:26 | 只看该作者 来自 山东省青岛市
jwl126 发表于 2017-8-23 19:33
不是用洋文写的就一定是严谨的学术论文
在hifidiy论坛辩论的时候,有一位“大婶”憋了半天搞了一个英文线 ...

C-MARC™ stands for Common-mode Auto-rejecting Cable.   

C-MARC™ is unlike any other hookup wire or cable currently being produced. It is based on the bucking coil method of noise reduction, used most famously in twin coil pickup designs first developed in the mid-1930's to silence hum from electric guitars.   

   This type of guitar pickup was called the Humbucker because it 'bucks the hum,' i.e. noise, out of the desired guitar signal through phase cancellation of two counter-polarized inductors. When the inductors both induce a common signal, it is induced in opposite polarities by each coil. These opposite polarities then mutually cancel when the two counter-polarized noise currents are combined through simple electrical summation. Humbucking coils are also used in some microphone designs as well as in sensitive sensor technology where induced stray noise is not acceptable and the highest signal to noise ratio is desired.   

LessLoss designs a new type of wire around the Humbucking principleC-MARC™ wire is a special type of Litz wire. It features all of the known benefits of traditional Litz wire without Litz wire's disadvantage of being formed as an elongated coil (inductor).   

   Traditional Litz wire has these advantages over normal 'naked' multi-stranded wire and solid core wire:   
  • Litz wire has a greater ratio of surface area to cross sectional area, resulting in less phase smearing between lower and higher frequencies.
  • Litz wire creates no distortions due to so-called “strand jumping” or diode effects resulting from loosely contacting oxide layers of adjacent naked strands.
  • Litz wire is more flexible, practical and safer than solid core wire of the same large cross sectional area.
C-MARC™ wire shares all of the above advantages of traditional Litz wire, and advances the art with these additional unique benefits:     

    (1) Traditional Litz wire is bunched and then twisted in only one direction, leading to the formation an elongated group of uni-directional coils (inductors) of differing diameters, in structure resembling elongated overstretched springs of different sizes.     

    [fig. 1. (pending): Sketch of typical Litz structure where multiple coil diameters and single coil turn direction resemble several overstretched springs bunched together. This structure allows high speed of production.]     

    [fig. 2. (pending): Each long separately insulated Litz wire can be seen as a separate coil of a given diameter and step. The different diameters are a result of the bunching before mutual twisting.]     

    [fig. 3. (pending): Individual wires of differing thicknesses are bunched together to form different geometries. Many variations of Litz structure exist, most founded upon the main idea of first bunching and then twisting into spirals.]     

"Type 7" Litz    [fig. 4. (pending): Some manufacturers offer braided Litz wire. This wire also is formed from initially bunched and mutually twisted strands before braiding. This type of wire is often referred to as Type 7 Litz wire and is compressed after braiding the twisted bunches into an overall rectangular shape before tape wrapping and over-extrusion.]     

How C-MARC™ is profoundly different    In contrast, C-MARC™ wire goes down to the very fundamentals in a completely mirrored, balanced geometry. It aligns every Litz strand's clock-wise turn with a corresponding counter-clockwise turn of exactly mirrored diameter and step along the length of the wire. These two resulting spirals are mutually superposed in counter-braided fashion. Noise is thus induced in exactly opposite polarities and in exactly mirrored amplitudes, while the good signal is common to both spirals. The two counter-polarized noise signals mutually cancel when the two counter-polarized currents are combined through simple electrical contact at both ends of the wire. Thus, through auto-rejection of opposing electrical phase through summation at the ends, C-MARC™ wire perfectly counters the noise induction, whether from external sources or self-induced, which normally pollutes every other twisted Litz wire assembly. In this way, C-MARC™ wire achieves signal transfer which is corrupted substantially less than the industry has been able to achieve through other means.     

    [fig. 5. (pending): C-MARC™ Litz schematic layout. The clockwise and counter-clockwise spirals are mirrored in diameter, step and wire gauge, while at the same time being superposed in relation to one another. This results in opposite phase induction within the very structure of a single polarity line. While production speed is substantially slower, the silence of operation of C-MARC™ wire is far superior to standard Litz structures.]     

    (2) This is not all. LessLoss C-MARC™ wire features two-scale "fractal" replication of the aforementioned mutually superposed counter-twisted layout. This mirrored and nested structure further enhances the mutual cancellation of counter-polarized inductive twists, while at the same time allowing enlarged overall cable cross-sectional designs which serve to further lower resistance without at all sacrificing signal fidelity or flexibility.     

    [fig. 6. (pending): C-MARC™ shown in two-scale fractal replication. Everything that occurs geometrically at the core level is again repeated at the larger level, thus further reducing induction of noise. Just as the initial clockwise and counter-clockwise spirals are mirrored in diameter, step and wire gauge, while at the same time being superposed in relation to one another, so, too, at the larger level. This makes the cable a very silent performer while not influencing the natural tone color of sensitive signals throughout the frequency spectrum.]     

What this meansC-MARC™ is intrinsically the most silent wire on the planet and provides pure transmission of signal. The degree of silence of the working solution is in direct proportion to the degree of superposition of the counter-polarized twists as well as in the degree of their mirrored equality in terms of turn radius, step and resistance. The idea being that in the best of worlds, both opposite "polarities" of a single lead of C-MARC™ wire induce the exact same noise, and a perfect summation to zero will result at both ends of the line.     

    (3) Because the individual enameled wires which make up the unique Litz structure of the C-MARC™ wire are so small in diameter (0.125mm), this further enlarges the ratio between total surface area and total cross section for even better phase relationship along the entire spectrum.     

    (4) This structure further enhances flexibility and ease of bed on any axis, especially for large cross section cables, without unnecessarily enlarging the entire cable assembly.     

    (5) The strands used in C-MARC™ wire are covered with thinnest technically possible colorless enamel. They are solderable once tinned in a soldering pot.     

    (6) There is no plastic throughout; instead, C-MARC™ wire and cables are insulated with tightly braided 100% natural, gassed and macerated cotton fiber with double coverage for added protection. This results in a very lightweight, highly flexible, naturally sounding product with today's best performance characteristics for delicate audio applications with an enormous signal-to-noise ratio.   
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 楼主| 发表于 2017-8-23 22:29 | 只看该作者 来自 山东省青岛市
本帖最后由 gebegebe 于 2017-8-23 23:02 编辑

有兴趣的可以看一下LESSLOSS的线材是如何“滤波”的http://www.lessloss.com/cmarc-power-cable-p-224.html


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发表于 2017-8-24 00:31 | 只看该作者 来自 江苏省无锡市
如此变态的线材,一定是来收智商税的。
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发表于 2017-8-24 01:11 | 只看该作者 来自 北京市
前进 发表于 2017-8-14 05:10
线材有科学原理,但是并不需要贵

不需要贵?1千就够好你让我怎么折腾 怎么发烧 你不给我贴点皇冠 不让王子拴过狗的线 你让我怎么贵族气质皇家声 我如何置身凡尔赛宫 你赔我!你赔!
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发表于 2017-8-24 01:46 | 只看该作者 来自 美国
苏州街狂人 发表于 2017-8-24 01:11
不需要贵?1千就够好你让我怎么折腾 怎么发烧 你不给我贴点皇冠 不让王子拴过狗的线 你让我怎么贵族气质 ...

银一克才几元钱 国产纯银线 纯银保险丝 镀银线都很便宜了  贵点的台湾做的镀银混编无氧铜也更均衡了 所以不必要贵
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